The order of scanning and our unintentional North/South divide

We’ve received many comments on this blog and through the surveys expressing disappointment at the lack of northern English and Welsh counties during the beta period. We’d like to reassure you that this is not intentional! 

We’ve been scanning and transcribing the census in order of National Archives catalogue piece number. Broadly, this was originally dictated by the civil servants of the time who ordered the numbering system so that it started in London, moving outwards and upwards through the English counties, then the Welsh counties, and finally the islands and military establishments. This is the order in which the records will be released on 1911census.co.uk in 2009. 

Incidentally, the original documents are also stored in this order at the National Archives, so we have been working our way through the two kilometres (or one and a quarter miles in old money) of shelving that these records take up. The records take an enormous amount of time to prepare using hundreds of staff – the 1911 census is eight times larger than previous censuses as it is the only census to date where the household schedules have been preserved. We still have a long way to go until scanning is complete – we will continue to work at  The National Archives well into 2009 to finish the image scanning and we then still have the job of transcribing the remainder of the census. 

Unfortunately the early timing of the beta test means that the counties available are inevitably concentrated in the south, but we wanted to be able to test the site as early as possible with a reasonable number of records available. 

The counties available during beta is restricted to those for which all pieces have been fully scanned and transcribed and which have had personal details redacted (removed) from the images. This is the reason that some southern counties are still not available – we are still in the process of redacting the images or completing the entire county. They have also been selected to give a good balance of urban and rural counties in order to test the address search functionality. 

Our policy is to release only complete counties (as defined by The National Archives catalogue for boundaries) to avoid confusion . 

Inevitably, in a project of this size some counties have to come later than others, unless we’d taken the rather cruel decision to wait until absolutely everything was complete before letting people take a look, but this would have been contrary to the spirit of the Information Commissioner’s ruling that the records should be made available as soon as possible. Everyone should be satisfied in 2009, rather than having to wait until the original opening date of January 2012. 

We hope you’ll bear with us as we continue the project and that the wait for northern counties, Wales and the islands and military records will be worth the wait. 

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112 Responses to “The order of scanning and our unintentional North/South divide”

  1. Neil Says:

    Overall, I’m very happy, I have found quite a few relatives (and gone through LOTS of credits). One thing tho, in Berkshire, I cannot find any sign of Windsor Union Workhouse and I am 99% sure that a couple of mine are in there at the time of the census, so it would be useful to see those. You say that the released counties are complete, so is there a reason I cannot see the workhouse?

  2. Alison Says:

    Some prior planning thought should be given to the political implications especially with devolution. None of my family are living in England in 1911 (save some very distant relatives), thus the Beta release is totally meaningless to me.

    Wales should not have to wait longer than England, when it comes to the final release. The outwards from London, then Wales approach isn’t altogether fair.

  3. sher Says:

    The site is great. I did not find any of my family in area that was out first but I tried
    a few names and they came up with clear original and good transcribing.

    Then when the extended time and new sites came out I found the name I had been
    looking for. She was only 2 years but her name came up complete and clear and she
    had been staying with relatives. As it was my Mother as a child, I was very excited.
    Her mother was working or visiting in Leicestershire - so I will wait patiently to find
    her.

    The team should get a big round of applause for work well done.

  4. Lesley Francis Says:

    FANTASTIC found many ancesters in London and Bedfordshire and like many are waiting for Lancashire, and Yorkshire. found quite a few more ghosts in the cupboards. Again fantastic and thanks your allowing use to have the preview site

    Lesley
    Perth Western Australia

  5. Josh Turner Says:

    So is there an expected time that Yorkshire will be released? 90% of my family were from London, Middlesex and Bucks. Just my luck that the only ones i don’t know are from Yorkshire. :(

  6. Terry Says:

    Oh, please, if you mean “removed” don’t say “redacted”!!

    However, I appreciate the unique opportunity to view the digitised documents to date - at a price, although I do understand the extra costs involved! Hope there will be the opportunity for subscriptions at a more reasonable price when the major part of the execrcise comes on-line. The images are excellent quality and I presume the search forms will have more flexibility once the site is fully active?

  7. Vivian Says:

    The beta site is very easy to use and I found more information about some ancestors. Most of mine, though, lived in Wales at the time and I shall have to wait a little longer.

    Image cost is expensive, but the quality is superb compared with some earlier censuses.

    I was puzzled by the decision (not of your doing I understand) to withhold disability information until 1912. Is it possible for a direct descendant to obtain this information?

  8. Mike Greenwood Says:

    Most of my family are from Lancashire and Cheshire but I did have a hit in Surrey. I did find the search easy to use, download and print off. However two of the individuals’ names were misspelt on the transcript. I look forward to the inclusion of the above Counties and Wales in the near future.

  9. Jan Says:

    I, like many others, are descended from Yorkshire folk so we will have to wait for our images to be included!

    However, I did do a search on a friend’s grandfather, who was 2 at the time, and there is was bold and proud in Shrewsbury.

    I can’t wait for the Yorkshire records to be included especially when the images are going to be so clear and a couple of years early….wow!

    Well done to all those invovled from the ones who managed to persuade those in charge for an early release to those who contintue to work to get the information scanned, transcribed and online.

  10. Jan Says:

    I, like many others, are descended from Yorkshire folk so we will have to wait for our images to be included!

    However, I did do a search on a friend’s grandfather, who was 2 at the time, and there he was bold and proud in Shrewsbury.

    I can’t wait for the Yorkshire records to be included especially when the images are going to be so clear and a couple of years early….wow!

    Well done to all those invovled from the ones who managed to persuade those in charge for an early release to those who contintue to work to get the information scanned, transcribed and online.

  11. Mike Says:

    It wasn’t clear when I started searching that only a handful of counties were included, so as a result I wasted a bit of money looking up false hits.

  12. Sue Says:

    Found the site easy to use but expensive. Good job it’s a short test period, very easy to overspend! Found some elusive ancestors easily, but there were transcription errors which became obvious on seeing the original schedule. In a small village found 2 adjacent households indexed as one, I think they’re related, but relying on the transcript would affect the relationships. Agree about poor value as you only get the one household, on the other hand having the householder’s schedules rather than enumerators transcripts should reduce errors in unusual surnames. Birthplace definitely needed in the search results, got confused sometimes whether the place listed was birthplace or census place. Surprised the info about marriage length and living/deceased children was included (which I’d have thought sensitive - but my ancestors clearly lied anyway) and only the disability column obscured.

  13. Don Says:

    “it started in London, moving outwards and upwards through the English counties”

    I would have thought that “outwards” would have included 2 counties next to London, ie Kent and Essex! A bit miffed as most of my ancestors are from Kent so no suitable transcripts etc to look at.

  14. Darrell Says:

    Very good initial release

    Cambs, Hunts, London, Middlesex, Suffolk were fantastic to have available and ive managed to pull up the vast majority of my family and ancestral in laws. Looking forward to Yorkshire and Lancs in 2009 to complete my line up.

    Once 1911 is part of find my past subscription Im looking forward to finding the siblings of my ancestors.

  15. Chris Says:

    What surprise to find part of the census online already, great improvement on 1901 release.
    great first day west yorks and Bucks two of my family tribal areas covered.
    congrats to everyone involved keep up the good work

  16. Leslie Says:

    I think the release so far is brilliant, well done! Ok, there are some transcription errors, but that is to be expected when transcribing from handwriting.
    Regarding the order of release, using the piece number order is the only sensible way of doing it, particularly since the original material is ordered that way on the shelves. It will all be done during 2009 anyway - would those further down the list rather have waited until 2012?

  17. Neil Says:

    Was directed to this blog page to see the availability timings of the Welsh counties, but this refers to the beta and also has no dates, just sometime in 2009… so when will it be worth buying credits?

  18. Anonymous Says:

    Hard luck again for the North!

  19. dc/ Says:

    All relevant records of interest to my family are Yorkshire and Glamorganshire. When will they be released?

  20. Raymond Reed Says:

    Once again those of us who live in the North of England or Wales are recieving a second class service.
    I also object strongly to having to pay to access public records.

  21. Raymond Reed Says:

    Once again those of us who live in the North of England or Wales are been provided with a second class service.
    I also object strongly to having to pay for access to public records.

  22. Andy Says:

    Excellent - found all my grandparents and all but one branch for my wife.
    All of mine in the West Riding. The missing one has been hiding in other sources as well.

  23. Claire Says:

    I am gutted, all my ancestors were in Wales in 1911 and I have been trying to find my great grandparents on the census for two years. I still can’t fathom where they were born or how old they were when they married as I think a few fibs went on and I felt sure that I would finally solve the mystery now. I have been waiting for this census with baited breath for months and typically Glamorgan is not yet released, just my luck.
    Does anyone know how long I will have to wait?
    I am very pleased for all you out there who are having sucsess, but a bit envious also lol.

  24. Bill Billings Says:

    So when will the north wales counties be available

  25. Roz Says:

    As another person whose family was all in North Yorkshire and Northumberland in 1911, I’m also champing at the bit for the remaining counties.

    It would be very helpful to have an estimate of the release date for each county, to save wasting time checking and being disappointed in the interim.

    Can’t wait to find them.

  26. Bill Billings Says:

    What is moderation

  27. Jenny Says:

    I’ve spent the whole day searching (and spending huge amounts of money) and have come up with masses of new information. Naturally, I’m delighted. One small negative though: the percentage of mistranscriptions seems to be a lot higher than on previous censuses. Does anyone else have this impression?

  28. Raymond Reed Says:

    I note with interest that you are not posting replies that are critical of your decision not to provide access to the census for the North of England and Wales.
    That about says it all.

  29. Judith Says:

    95% of my family and my husband’s family are from Durham, Northumberland, Westmorland and Cumberland so you can imagine how impressed I am!!

  30. Bryan Says:

    I wonder if the National Archives would have still published the census in the same order if London had been numbered last! (Or indeed if the
    Archive was based in Carlisle of Newcastle!!

  31. Nick Bristow Says:

    Is it at all possible to look up the census for FREE.Some of us Septuagenarians cannot afford to be constantly rooked?

  32. Sheila Says:

    What a pity the North misses out again! All my relatives are in Durham in 1911. Only discovered Northern counties missing when I kept getting negative hits. This should have been made clear before take our money!

  33. L. Alexander Says:

    So thrilled to find out where my grandparents and great grand parents were in 1911 and surprised to find that my Nanna had a 4th sibling at some point who died. What a shame there was no indication re sex, name or date of death of that sibling - the surnames concerned are v common so hard to track through BMD, though could be done). The chance is she never knew herself. I see that West Yorkshire is lucky enough to be in place, so I do hope Durham & North and East Yorkshire follow before too long! I need to know where a set of great grandparents were between 1901 and 1917…Thank you for the chance to get the sneak preview via the Beta version.

  34. Louise Says:

    I think that it is unfair that there is no explanation on the web page explaining that most of the counties are not included! I went in excitment to try and find some lost relatives in the census and dismayed when it kept showing up that my search produced no finding, I was very annoyed when I realised that none of the counties where my relatives are from are online, and then being told to come to this page to find the timeline for each county and finding no information as to when the other counties might be released was also extremely disappointing and annoying. I hope there will be timeline announced soon and a very public notice when new counties become available!!

  35. ALF WILLIAMS Says:

    I have seen lots of comments regarding the lack of Welsh Counties but no indication when they will be on-line. Having spent almost £50 in anticipation of getting information I am obviously disappointed. I am also concerned that credits will be lost if not used in the time period indicated.

    Can anyone please indicate when the Welsh records will be available and if a long delay is anticipated if we are likely to get a refund?

  36. K Waites Says:

    I’m gutted - got 4 weeks off work recovering from surgery and find out that the records for the whole of my ancestors (yorkshire, durham & Northumberland) are not available! Second class citizens again!

  37. Rona Says:

    All my ancestors were in Wales and the Channel Islands. A little information on when we can expect these places to be available would have been useful.

    And the price is a bit steep, will it come down?

  38. Gaffa Says:

    Will this site be available at the local Library’s and Record Offices

  39. Gaffa Says:

    Free of course

  40. Claire Says:

    All my ancestors are in Wales also and I foolishly dived in and bought credits only to discover that Welsh counties are not even available yet.
    Please make it more obvious to people which counties are available before they purchase credits and please can someone give us some idea when they will be available.
    I am very disapointed and a little annoyed.Why does England always get first pickings and we are always last.

  41. John Castle Says:

    The newspaper article said England and Wales will all be on. Nothing about Wales not being so or on the website’s home page. There is a drop down menu but it isn’t obvious. I wasted half my credits looking for ancestors in Wales. What a bloody rip-off!

  42. Isobel Says:

    Do we have any potential dates for Wales coming on-line yet?

    Most of my relatives are in Glamorganshire, & had I known that it would not be available, I wouldn’t have brought more credits until I could actually view them.

    Isobel.

  43. Kathy Skelson Says:

    All of my ancestors are in Cumberland and I too have been scratching my head as to why my searches returned no results. Perhaps taking ‘the rather cruel decision to wait until absolutely everything was complete’ would have been fairer to those of us who are now hugely frustrated.

    Come on, at least give us an idea of how long we have to wait to continue our searches, there must be a timescale.

    Kathy

  44. Claire Says:

    Is there even anyone in the know reading any of this or are we just wasting our time.
    Please fill us in and give us some idea how long we have to wait for the Welsh counties to be entered.

  45. iantester Says:

    Claire and others asking for details on the rollout of remaining counties - please read our earlier post on precisely this subject:

    http://blog.1911census.co.uk/2009/01/rollout-of-the-remaining-counties/

  46. iantester Says:

    Additionally, there is a link to the counties available on the search box on the home page and on the county dropdown on the main search page, which should show you instantly if your county is available or not wherever you search from.

    If you know in advance which county your ancestor is in, we recommend that you always use the county dropdown in search to narrow your results from the outset.

  47. Matthew Says:

    The problem is your own publicity, the statement “Most of the 1911 census for England and Wales is now available to search online: (quoted from the National Archive website) is simply not true, you have published most of the England census and none of the Wales census and that is what you should have said - I very nearly purchased credits which would have been no use at all to my research.

  48. Becky Says:

    Its a shame northumberland and east riding are not on yet theyre the ones i wanted to look at, hope theyre on soon.

  49. iantester Says:

    To all: please remember that we have released the records *2 years* early. Whichever counties we had released first, somebody would be upset. The remaining counties will be available within months. We managed to release records for 83% of the total population at launch.

    I am sure the majority of people are on balance happier that we made the bulk of the records available early rather than force everybody to wait longer. But feel free to disagree! ;-)

  50. iantester Says:

    there are also additional posts on the rollout of the additional counties if you’d like more information on this.

  51. Peter Says:

    iantester says - “I am sure the majority of people are on balance happier that we made the bulk of the records available early rather than force everybody to wait longer”.

    Here speaks one of the priviliged.

    All of us who HAVE TO WAIT, might not agree with you lot.

    If we have to wait - why should you not wait also?

    It does not make it any better for us that you are all having a good time . . .

  52. iantester Says:

    Peter, I am not sure what you mean by “priviliged” (sic). I have Welsh ancestors, so I too am waiting as is everyone at findmypast.com. If you read the blog, you will see that we are actually *still scanning* so the counties are not available to anyone, even us.

    From your comment about us “having a good time” perhaps you imagine us as a collection of Golems, all sitting in an elysian grove somewhere, in baths of asses’ milk, feeding each other grapes, and lovingly glancing over welsh 1911 Census records and saying to each other “They’re ours, all ours. None shall see our lovelies until I have traced my own Thomases.”

    The reason the records are not on the site is because the records are still in boxes in Kew. We are working hard to make them available to you in the next few months.

    If that’s not good enough for you, I can’t really see what more you want us to do, but please feel free to let us know and if it’s a realistic request we will do our best to be of service.

    P.S purists - sorry for the mixing of mythology metaphors.

  53. Matthew Says:

    Iantester - a practical suggestion, change your publicity so it actual represents what you have an offer. As of now the web site home page introduction says “The 1911 census is a record of everyone who lived in England and Wales in 1911. It provides a unique snapshot of the lives of your ancestors. 1911census.co.uk brings this vast resource to you online, so that you can search the census simply and quickly to discover how your family lived in the past.” No it does not, it does not allow those of us with Welsh families to do anything. Its not rocket science, manage expectations by telling the truth. Incidentally I think this probably amounts to misrepresentation - it would be interesting to know what trading standards think?

  54. Graeme Says:

    My entire family is from Wales / Northumberland / Durham & I’ve an annual subscription to ancestry.co.uk.

    The ‘reasons’ given for the omission of the North / Wales are not good enough. And the wordy excuses re. lack of a subscription service / availability on other websites are again garbage.

    Yes those scanning volunteers have a done a commendable job but get it sorted at the top.

  55. rob alderson Says:

    I was (and still am) really looking forward to filling some gaps in my family tree, but as all of my great-grand parents lived in Northumberland and Durham in 1911, I’m going to have to wait.

    A rough timescale for the release of these counties would be helpful. Will it happen tomorrow, next week, next month, or in 6 months?

  56. Linda Says:

    I am one of those impacted by no Welsh records being ready as almost all my family were based there in 1911. Shouldn’t we all keep some perspective on this though? Everyone would have had to wait till 2012 had the team not done an amazing job of getting this much out there ahead of time. All the positive comments from the lucky ones who have already found valuable information make me even more excited about what I will be able to see when the Wales records are released! Thanks to all the team involved in what must be a complex task - you are helping to connect so many people with lost relatives and to fill in gaps in so many people’s lives - I am sure that the majority of us are grateful for all your efforts.

  57. Peter Says:

    iantester - thank you for your somewhat aimless reply. Perhaps I can speak in more clear English than you . . .

    (1) Yes, all of the counties should have been released at the same time.
    (2) You appear unable to comprehend what it is like to live in a world of deliberate “haves” and “have nots” when you are one of the “have nots”. The South of England is always given preference and this routine preference is always defended - routinely.
    (3) There is nothing WE could have done about this - but YOU (your organisation) could have. You could have treated us all FAIRLY for once.

  58. iantester Says:

    @Peter - you are entitled to your opinion but we will simply have to agree to disagree on this one. We have explained why we are scanning in the order we are, we’re not going to keep going round the houses on this one.

    The only preference shown is that which is imagined by those waiting for the additional counties to come online.

    Which we will do as soon as we are able.

  59. Sandy Says:

    I have been waiting patiently for the 1911 census, and was really excited to find that the bulk of it had been made available online. Thank you for bringing it to us so early!!

    I can’t find one whole branch from Yorkshire, which reallt disappointed me, as they are the ‘problem’ family of whome little is known. They are from Middlesborough and Stockton. Which bit of yorkshire is that/ I am assuming one of the parts not released yet? or were they not in that area as I had hoped??

    I also wasted credits getting a copy of the origional that proved to NOT be the family I was looking for, too many of those mistakes will prove to be a real waste of money at this cost. Couldn’t you have something like a discount if you check the transcribed version first? (ie get the origional for 20 credits) I don’t want to loose 40 credits for every entry I look up, especially when there are errors (as there was on the one transcribed one I bought!! - proved when I bought the origional)

  60. Peter Says:

    ianchester - I have no choice but to agree with you to end this conversation now, but remember, all I wanted was FAIRNESS (every county released at once, no matter what the scanning order was) and you just refuse to contemplate that this would have been best. We all know why you think like that, but a final ‘admission’ would have been nice to have read.

  61. iantester Says:

    @Peter: We thought carefully about the pros and cons of releasing in this way, and our reasons are explained in the original post and my previous comments.

  62. Graeme Says:

    What bothers me is why specifically the 4 northernmost English counties are having to wait some indeterminate time…

    “Inevitably, in a project of this size some counties have to come later than others, unless we’d taken the rather cruel decision to wait until absolutely everything was complete before letting people take a look, but this would have been contrary to the spirit of the Information Commissioner’s ruling that the records should be made available as soon as possible. ”

    Why not release each county one by one from London ‘outwards’ if that’s the order you’re doing it? It just seems like poor judgement to me - you’re inevitably going to upset someone if you’re not releasing everything at once so either wait & release it all or do it one county at a time. Its just a bit shabby & the continued defending of it is very disappointing. Here’s hoping its available soon anyway.

  63. Andrew Says:

    While I completely understand (I don’t agree - but then someone has to be at the front and someone at the back!) why the Welsh counties are at the back of the queue surely there must be a project plan somewhere in the process that could be released to give us a rough idea of when the various counties are due online. Could you release this even if only in high level?

  64. amanda Says:

    Shame Northumberland is not there yet, I have already bought credits but are unable to use them yet.
    Will Northumberland be on before my credits run out in 2009?

  65. phil evans Says:

    Fantastic that its part on line at all. Tremendous work has been done. I am waiting for Glamorgan. It would be helpful if the boffins could give us an estimated date for each county. It would help people plan, which is part of the fun. But thanks Census 1911 - its far better than the 1901 days!

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  67. Julie Says:

    Brilliant scans - thank you very much. I have now got a cinematograph proprieter amongst my rellies in Lancashire. I am anxiously awaiting Cumberland, is there any news on an approximate date of release?

  68. Natasha Says:

    Speaking as someone who is desperately waiting for the Welsh counties to become available (and checking each day!), I would like to say ‘Well done for the immense amount of hard work you have done, and continue to do’ to all!
    I’m glad that others have had a chance to find their ancestors, and I am also glad that, when my time comes (which, as I have read in your previous blogs will be by summer, 2009), I will not have to sit there waiting for my page to load because of the server load (as I’m sure would happen if all the counties were released at
    once.).
    I guess, in future, the counties could be put out one by one, or even south to north, or vice versa (inc. Wales, etc.), but someone would always be left out, and sure to complain about it.
    The only thing I do have to agree with is something to extend the credits until all the counties were logged.
    Personally, I find myself lucky that the information would be available…and ONLINE…as early as it is. And I eagerly await the addition of the counties of my ancestors.
    Thank you!

  69. Bob Says:

    To Ian & all the team, well done. Whatever you had done there are some who will never be satisfied. Personaly, I am just happy that the records are to be available early.
    To those who are only happy when they can moan, find out the facts first. many papers reported on it’s release, and as noted by some, the contract defined most of the rules, NOT the 1911 Census team. Your team where “dammed if do, and dammed if you don’t”.
    The same argument also covers the costs. These records had to be purchased from the goverment first, then the cost of publishing added on top. Like buying any new technology, pay a high price to be the first, or have patience and wait till the price lowers. Either way these records have been made available 3 years early.
    Two other points: No, I have nothing to do with the company, I am retired. Many of the people I wish to find are in the area’s of ‘patience is a virtue’. Otherwise, not yet released.

    Enjoy life, you live longer, and are never without friends.

  70. Chris Barker Says:

    Errors in transcription are inevitable, tell me of a previous census that didnt have errors with much less samples of handwriting to interprit.
    With millions of samples of handwriting many from barely literate householders I’m not surprised there are not many more. Keep up the good work

  71. Margaret Says:

    A rough date of when the Welsh information will be available would be helpful but it will be quicker than the release of the rest of my ancestors. They are in Scotland and it will be years before they are avalable.

  72. Nona Says:

    Many thanks for the early release! Although most of the people I’m looking for are in North Yorkshire, I found an absolute gem of an entry in one of the available counties. Now eagerly waiting for the updates!

  73. Donna Says:

    I am very pleased with the 1911 cencus,I have found a few new leads and other bits of info which have confirmed a few things for me.
    Cant wait to look for my Grandmas family,all from the Conway valley……she was born in 1916,so misses out,but she had 7 older siblings….
    well done!! Just a few mistranscriptions,which only add to the fun of looking and investigating!

  74. Thelma Says:

    I am very disappointed to find that I am unable to trace either side of my family in Southampton in 1911. I know both families lived in Southampton at that time.

  75. Shadders Says:

    Your web site states

    If you have not already seen it, we have already posted an article on the order of scanning and rollout of the counties, click below to read it:

    http://blog.1911census.co.uk/2008/12/the-order-of-scanning-and-our-unintentional-northsouth-divide/

    There is no mention of roll out dates for the missing counties especially us in Wales, surely you can advise when to expect rollout of each county

    Lotsch

  76. Mary Says:

    I’ve found distant relatives in London so far (with inevitable mistranscriptions), but all my own relatives lived in Wales, Cumberland, Durham and Yorkshire in 1911, so it’s disappointing not to know when those areas will appear on the site. Nevertheless, as my 1911-born mother used to say, ‘Everything comes to those who wait’. I look forward to proving it!

  77. louise Says:

    I’m in both side of the fence here, having Welsh and Yorkshire ancesters as well as Lancashire ones, who i’ve been lucky enough to find. This site isnt perfect, but in the circumstances, the transcribers have done a fantastic job. All this talk about a north/south divide is ludicrous, people need to realise what a monumental task this really is, however what i seriously object to is the limited life span on any credits bought, that is the real scandal here.

  78. Naizby Says:

    I have to agree with previous comments that to buy a transcription for 10 credits to prove accuracy and then pay a further 30 credits for the full record is demanding. Surely having already got the transcription an update to the full record for 20 extra credit should be possible.

  79. lorry Says:

    Whilst pleased to see the early release of the census and am grateful for the efforts made in this respect, I am disappointed to find that Durham and Wales are not yet available as those are my main search areas. Like many, I didn’t find this out until I’d bought credits, so I hope I can make use of them before they expire, especially as I’ve wasted some on fruitless searches in Shropshire. I see no good reason for the limited timespan of credits anyway.

  80. David Says:

    Like many people, I have relatives all over England and Wales. I can’t look up everyone at once, so a gradual release of data is eminently sensible.

    For those who are complaining they bought credits for areas not yet available, why didn’t they check first - the information was clearly displayed and easy to find.

    Stop moaning and congratulate the team on releasing a huge part of the data well before 2011 - remember the 1901 census debacle!

  81. Pauline Says:

    Well done one and all!! However, agree with Naizby and their suggestion that we expand our searches for an extra 20 credits after initial 10 credit ‘look see’ seems fair. Eagerly awaiting Durham on up to Scotland - is there any estimated time when these counties will be available?

  82. Natasha Says:

    Overall a great job. The quality of originals is wonderful compared to previous census scans.
    I am at least able to check my London ancestors, and yes a little toe-tapping for the ones I want to check in Durham and Northumberland.
    I do think that the payment for transcripts is a little high. Because of having used Ancestry for so long it’s easy to squander credits just checking. However (and perhaps this is just lucky) I have been able to tell from the transcripts if the family was correct.
    I love the partial name seach facilities, which I haven’t found as good on any other geneaology sites.
    I would love a first name only search at some point.
    But anxious as I am to search the North East I do understand that the process is long, and I hope won’t be too much longer

  83. Mike Pendragon Says:

    Finding my wifes family in London was no problem - brilliant, and I also found my mothers family in Derbyshire and Lancashire, without any major problems or wasted hits.

    I’m prepared to be patient but as my fathers family come from Cumbria and Northumbria, I won’t be using the rest of my credits until these are available. I can see no reason why unused credits should expire until the full Cenus is available, can a way be found to extend these credits ??

  84. Sylvia Wallace Says:

    I was disappointed that my FindmyPast Annual Explorer Subscription did not let me view the 1911 site as I believed that it would. However I purchased a years worth of credits and was able to view my relations from Hampshire, but again I was dissappointed that I could not view the actual images. Will need to go back and see these later. Most of my relations however, were from the East Riding of Yorkshire so can’t wait for this to be uploaded - Does any one know how long it will be? Also will I be able to put any unused credits towards my Findmy Past subscription when either it comes up for renewal or one subscription gives access to both sites?

  85. Alex Says:

    Many congratulations on the clarity of the reproductions. I managed to find my gt.grandmother in London prior to her early death in the same year as the census. Curiously, her remaining family moved to Flint which your website had made clear was not yet available, so I wait with great anticipation. Hate to complain because like so many others I really appreciate the early release of these documents but the fees are extortionate. I spent thirteen pounds to find and confirm the presence of two ancestors. It would have been magnanimous of management, whilst the transcripts remain incomplete, to have discounted the fees. After all I wouldn’t expect to pay full price for a jumper with only one sleeve!
    Good luck to all those family history fanatics, at least we won’t have to wait for another three years.

  86. Pete Says:

    It was not too long ago that I thought I would have to wait until at least the first part of 2011 to be able to view my ancestors census details online!
    I am so pleased that you have made much of the information available at an early date and I am able to view details of them now. I have used your search facility to identify, view transcripts and the original census entries for a number of my “family” to great effect! I eagerly await the release of Wales to enable me to check family there.
    At least the delay will enable me to save up enough for the credits of the most important (to me) family members. All the rest will have to wait for a more affordable subscription service.
    Great work………………..Please hurry with the release of all the remaining census details.

  87. Bev Says:

    please just issue a rough time frame for each county or even just the order of release to avoid dissapointment and time wasteing

  88. Evan Says:

    I along with others do not feel the English completed before the Welsh is fair….surely a selection form both at the same time would be more appropiate as it shows preference to one over another even if this was not intentional.

  89. graham morley Says:

    I’m very upset that instead of adding this census to your “home” site you have spun it off into a seperate cash cow. I appreciate that it’s in Beta as you say but that didin’t stop you having incomplete census records on your home site that were in the process of being transcribed.

    Secondly, like others I’m also dismayed to find North Yorkshire & Durham playing catch up. Can you not give an idea when these counties will come on line?

    In addition, when you emailed subscribers annoucing the 1911 census you didn’t say it would be an extra cost to our already expensive subscription.
    Disgruntled Explorer subscriber.
    Graham Morley

  90. Mark Says:

    Given that the exclusive contract to publish this census is finished in five months time then all people waiting for North East and Wales data can assume that it will be online before June.

    We should all be grateful that the census is online three years earlier than expected. Have some patience people!

  91. Christine Says:

    Great site. Have been able to find some of my ancestors and am sure a few of the women were supporters of the suffragettes, so I doubt I will find them anywhere. For those of you who are not aware, many women refused to take part in the 1911 census.

    My only complaint is that my credits from the 1911 census site get used when I go to findmypast.com, where I have a subscription. So far, findmypast.com have not answered my question of why I cannot use my subscription on the findmypast.com site, which is what I paid for and why they are using my 1911 credits.

    If only someone would anwser my email, I would be very happy, even happier still if they can sort the problem out.

    To the 1911 team, keep up the great work. I have not come across any transcription errors at all and I have looked at numerous pages. Any errors I have found were by the people who filled out the original pages back in 1911, not the work being done now!

  92. Patricia Says:

    When will Durham and Northumberland be available?
    Even a rough date would be better than total silence.

  93. Sarah Says:

    When will the 1911 census returns for East Yorkshire be available?

  94. Ed Says:

    Disappointed - not only that Northumberland/Durham/Cumbria not yet released,but also at the lack of any timescale for when it might occur. I would also point out that the response from the 199census help desk was less than helpful !

  95. Denise Says:

    Congratulations to everyone involved in the rollout of the 1911 Census - what a huge achievement even thought I am one of the unlucky ones who has to wait until the summer for Durham and Northumberland where all my ancestors were in 1911. Did I really expect the North to be first!

    Like the previous comment though I have to agree that having already bought a transcription for 10 credits to prove accuracy and then a further 30 for the full record is a little unfair. Surely only a further 20 credits should be charged.

    Once again well done to everyone for their hard work.

  96. Alison Says:

    Whilst I am also disappointed that some of the counties aren’t available yet (namely North Yorkshire and North Wales) and I have to wait, I understand that not all the counties can be available at the same time.
    The team have done a tremendous job so far and its nice to know that I don’t have to wait another 2 years as I had anticipated. I have found a few bits from the counties that are available which has made me very excited about the months to come.
    My only complaint is the cost of credits. Very steep!

  97. Anonymous Says:

    To Mark, who said “Given that the exclusive contract to publish this census is finished in five months time then all people waiting for North East and Wales data can assume that it will be online before June.”

    Actually, the exclusive contract runs for six months after the release of the final data - so it makes sense for them to spin it out as long as possible.

  98. anthony Says:

    Like other s on this blog I am very unhappy with the reasons given for the North and Wales being left to last for transcription. The least 1911census could do is give us an idea as to WHEN WILL WALES/NORTHERN COUNTIES BE READY TO VIEW…. for goodness sake …its not as if you haven,t been asked the question before.SO ANSWER PLEASE!

  99. iantester Says:

    @ anthony - we have already answered this question, and there is a new blog post on this as well.

  100. Roger Says:

    I have lots of ancestors who were living in the Forest of Dean in Gloucestershire at the time of the 1911 census but I can’t find any of them even though Gloucestershire is a county that is on the 1911 web site but I cannot find any statement on the 1911 website that informs the researcher that parts of Gloucestershire are not yet included. I guess that the answer is that the subdistricts of Coleford and Chepstow are in the Monmouth Registration District, which being in Wales, is not covered.

    Presumably this situation occurs with other subdistricts that do not fall within the covered county registration districts even though they are geographically within the covered counties.

    It would help to prevent researchers wasting valuable time, if the subdistricts that are missing from the geographical counties were listed on the website.

  101. Martin Says:

    Having gone diving in head first and buying my credits without reading the small print (as usual) I was dissapointed to find that Wales has not been transcibed yet. One thing I would like to see is a rough time frame of when the missing counties will be added, but my main, and rather selfish question is, any chance Anglesey will be done in the next 90 days?

  102. Diane Says:

    I cant find my grandparents name is james and esther smith, they came from felstead they died i dont know when date and year

  103. Kit Plim Says:

    Delighted at getting access to most of the 1911 census well before 2012!
    Very pricey so reluctant to search for extended ancestors and sticking with direct lines only {still spent a smalll fortune ;)} and only able to afford to view transcripts, not the scanned images.
    Can’t wait to get my hands on the Denbighshire entries though to seek out the “JONES” clan (eek!)
    Overall very delighted with my results.
    Thank you!

  104. Donna Says:

    I was very pleased with the initial release of the 1911 cencus,but am desperatley waiting for Wales to be released now!!!
    please give us an idea??
    ps; anyone researching family from Dolgarrog area of North Wales?
    I have a website with photos- would love to add more and find cousins on my Nans side.

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  106. wells hurt,wise, andworton Says:

    i see the 1921 isseill eo far off to even thinkabout and the 1931 has been destroyrd apartfrom myself is no one interested in reopening the old family history center in islington Idid hear the n/a dont want it and theymustbe making amint with the car parking chargeskeep on going up
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  107. wells hurt,wise, andworton Says:

    why not join a local family history society uh more to be found settlement orders basterdry bonds and baptisms back to theyear 1500s parish reords to see and a trip tothe local archives isfree just pay for your photocopies
    get involved and help themto help youfor at most£12.oo peryear bitmore slower but a lot more cheeper got all mine from the wiltshire family history society and then theeast london family histry society they both do cds as well thedocklannds anccestors are brilliant buys I even got the 1831 census ofhackney frm the eastlondon fhs they even do thecensus in plain print in book form itsamuch better way to do your family history apart from the deaths of 3 members ofmy family i am now going bak to mymothersmaddox side to prove ifpos whats on the lds redigree filebak to 1681

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